Lucky thirteen... when I read the title page from my copy of the book; it took me back to the sandlot days when we competed in football or basketball. Not being able to afford jerseys, we needed to identify each team member and the loser of the coin toss always became the skins.
Then I stopped dreaming about memories of faded sandlot glory; and read another good telling of truth. But... as Jethro Tull sang it was a good time “living in the past”!✌🏼❤️🙏🕉
This thinking is sound. I have similar questions about “stories, myths, religion, and law. I think that the real root of all that i have mentioned start in the cohesion of a group of humans, anywhere in the world. We only known through observation. We “known” something only until a new concept is accepted by our brains, and it is accepted only by being able to attach itself to an idea we already understand. This means that it is all too easy to be a closed “book”.
I hope I am making sense in what follows, but this is where I see commonality in your description of tribal behavior. I think that tribal behavior is part of a larger human behavior — with all the errors that have been created by poor thinking. Your tribal understanding is much more responsible than the “Christian” model that was borne out of the failure of the Greco-Roman world of it’s beginnings.
The protection of that quirk lies in the “tribe” itself — and by that I mean any group of people who determine that they are benefiting by their learned behavior. As that group grows into a tribe, then into a nation, their motivation for cohesion is still the same: do we benefit from this behavior or do we not? As you say, the Abrahamic religions of the western world developed in a similar fashion. But what happened then can be seen in the mirror of a “corporation”. That entity is created to be a “silent” (non-existing) member of a group that — should the group fail — takes all the burden of that failure on itself. Then leaving no responsibility on the men who created the failure. We now call that “Too Big to Fail”, but I submit that religions, tribes, and peoples follow a similar path. The larger they are, the more they can hide from responsibility for their actions.
Agreed. I think that matriarchal tribal nations are always more responsive to the needs of their peoples—even large ones— than those that began with patriarchal institutions and ‘progressed’ to civilized ones. Thanks for the thoughtful exchange.
Yes, Parents don't discipline, and jails and prisons don't really discipline. The people are just locked up, but not taught discipline. Will anyone ever listen to what you say?
Lucky thirteen... when I read the title page from my copy of the book; it took me back to the sandlot days when we competed in football or basketball. Not being able to afford jerseys, we needed to identify each team member and the loser of the coin toss always became the skins.
Then I stopped dreaming about memories of faded sandlot glory; and read another good telling of truth. But... as Jethro Tull sang it was a good time “living in the past”!✌🏼❤️🙏🕉
This thinking is sound. I have similar questions about “stories, myths, religion, and law. I think that the real root of all that i have mentioned start in the cohesion of a group of humans, anywhere in the world. We only known through observation. We “known” something only until a new concept is accepted by our brains, and it is accepted only by being able to attach itself to an idea we already understand. This means that it is all too easy to be a closed “book”.
I hope I am making sense in what follows, but this is where I see commonality in your description of tribal behavior. I think that tribal behavior is part of a larger human behavior — with all the errors that have been created by poor thinking. Your tribal understanding is much more responsible than the “Christian” model that was borne out of the failure of the Greco-Roman world of it’s beginnings.
The protection of that quirk lies in the “tribe” itself — and by that I mean any group of people who determine that they are benefiting by their learned behavior. As that group grows into a tribe, then into a nation, their motivation for cohesion is still the same: do we benefit from this behavior or do we not? As you say, the Abrahamic religions of the western world developed in a similar fashion. But what happened then can be seen in the mirror of a “corporation”. That entity is created to be a “silent” (non-existing) member of a group that — should the group fail — takes all the burden of that failure on itself. Then leaving no responsibility on the men who created the failure. We now call that “Too Big to Fail”, but I submit that religions, tribes, and peoples follow a similar path. The larger they are, the more they can hide from responsibility for their actions.
What do you think?
Agreed. I think that matriarchal tribal nations are always more responsive to the needs of their peoples—even large ones— than those that began with patriarchal institutions and ‘progressed’ to civilized ones. Thanks for the thoughtful exchange.
That is true of matriarchal societies wherever you find them.
Yes, Parents don't discipline, and jails and prisons don't really discipline. The people are just locked up, but not taught discipline. Will anyone ever listen to what you say?
James - I'm so far back-logged in reading! I have a slew of your posts to read... Thanks for posting!!